If all you want to do professionally is test security and compliance controls, this is the place for you - Senior IT Auditor EY Employee Review

1.0
Oct 5, 2013
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Pros

Sometimes you'll do cool projects that are operations oriented; pay scale is aggressive; nice way manage people quickly.

Cons

This is in regards to an IT audit position: Most of the time you will be doing compliance work, which by nature, is incredibly boring. My office loved to promise the world to our clients, and then the staff got to pay by working long hours. This is because management is so concerned about selling work they don't care about the consequences. Where I worked, it was "client first" not "people first". The work life balance they are so fond of talking about was not in place. They'll promise you in the job interview that you'll be working at lots of different companies doing neat work, but what they don't tell you is that they will only train you for Sarbanes Oxley control work. If you want to get in on the good, interesting training sessions (like Oracle or SAP implementation classes that are on the opposite coast and only occur once a year) you have to REALLY FIGHT for it - because they will always have some job for you to do that takes precedence because it helps your utilization. Also because the local office doesn't want to pay for your travel. I gotta repeat this so it sinks in for you - companies don't typically hire consultants to do work to create new IP - the IT audit work is typically compliance initiatives they don't want to bother using their own people to do. I worked at multiple Fortune 100 companies, but the work was still horribly boring. It's a crap shoot as to whether or not you will work with a manager or senior manager that cares about engagements. I only had one in my entire time there that was actually worried about our work product and not just selling more services to the client. Most of the time, they are trying to push their work down on you, which would be good and fine if they trained you to do it, but they don't. Also, bad managers don't care about your bandwidth, they just expect you to get it done. Heaven forbid an engagement "goes south" on you - because senior managers and managers are writing reviews, they like to push the blame down and make the staff look bad. I was on a team of 20 people that worked really hard, but because the statement of work (i.e. the client's expectations) was nebulous, we continually delivered a product that the client wanted changed. The project was managed very poorly, because management was too busy selling to define the final goal prior to starting. But, at the end of the engagement, guess who got stuck with the bad reviews? Not management. Speaking of reviews - every job requires a thesis on people who work under you. It is extremely over engineered. Staff get reviewed for things like "market growth" which they have no control over, because they don't sell work. Also, mandatory yearly goals are set, so don't expect absolute freedom to direct your growth. The tools you work with are ATROCIOUS, even on the IT Audit side. Lotus Notes, several versions back, was the email client while I was there (it was 10+ years old, and operated like it was 20 years old). I used Microsoft Groove to share engagement files, which is a product Microsoft discontinued a long time ago. And for consulting work, I used Paisely GRC, which I honestly can't even believe E&Y paid for. For a company that prides itself on being so forward thinking, the IT department REALLY failed. Ernst & Young needed to hire a real tech consultant to turn around their abysmal IT situation. You'll also travel a lot, but it is not to big cities worth visiting. It is to data centers in the middle of nowhere and corporate parks on the outskirts of the city. For training, you go to Cleveland. CLEVELAND. Not a top destination spot, by a long shot. Honestly, if you are someone who simply wants a big company on your resume, you should take a step back and really think about your career - REAL consulting work is happening at Bain, McKinsey, LEK, Accenture, etc. They will work you to the bone as well, but at least the work you are doing will be interesting. Padding your resume with compliance work might secure you a career, but I can't adequately put into words how mind numbingly boring controls work is.

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1. You will have a very hard time not falling in love with every single person you meet there. 2. Seriously, you will meet your soul mate(s) there. 3. Prestigious and looks great on the resume. 4. Your brain will grow a thousand times more powerful. 5. Forces you to conquer your fear of public speaking. 6. Fun team bonding and lifelong friends. 7. Stepping stone to high paying jobs. 8. Helps you work on perfecting your charm. You will learn from the most charming people how to really get people to like you. 9. HR really cares. 10. Big support network (IT, creative services, etc.). 11. Teaches you to be calm and in control.

Cons

OK, I'm going to be discussing all the taboo things, and there are a lot of them. In spite of these cons, I still admit it's worth a five star rating. 1. High performers are "designated" (you have very little control over your rating) by the partner group (can be a pro if you get selected. Seriously, I have worked with some of the supposed "fives" and they are not any different than my threes and fours. 2. Quality is extremely low. Sometimes I felt like I was working at McDonalds and not a professional services firm. The emphasis is on getting through work as fast as possible and expectations for quality are not realistic. 3. EY has a very hard time firing bad employees. If you get stuck with one it can be a nightmare. 4. EY has a heavy emphasis on wasting time. For example, there are lots and lots of checklists which have no value that you have to fill out. Also, they wasted money and time on creating "Canvas" which is literally slower and more awkward than the previous workspace tool, GAMX. There is a heavy emphasis on "reinventing the wheel" and fixing problems that aren't broken with even worse solutions. Instead of wasting money on useless tools, that money could have been spent on your employees in the form of compensation. Like I said, EY is really focused on attempting to look as though value is being created when in fact it is not. 5. Lots of meetings. Appearances are very important. 6. Employees on global 360 accounts get better treatment. 7. Some employees (executives mostly) tend to overemphasize how important this work is. Let's face it, if it was really glorious work then we would have action figures. 8. Looks are very important. Seriously, if you are a girl, you will get promoted based on how hot you are (the quality of your work is largely unimportant). If you are a guy, you are treated a little better but there is still a sexist undercurrent in the environment. This is advice you won't get from HR obviously, but that doesn't mean it isn't true. 8. You will be forced to eat hours. 9. Your ethical compass will start to get weaker. 10. You will get a little cynical. 11. Lots of driving and travel. 12. "Family men" and married couples with children are more likely to be promoted. If you want to be a partner, you have to be married (few exceptions). 13. You will work on vacations. 14. Loss of relationships with family and friends. 15. Some backstabbing and credit-stealing (but not very common). 16. Comp is below market but that's to be expected. 17. Employee retention is not something management is interested in. This makes you replaceable and expendable (yes even as a manager, unless you have been "designated" as a high performer by the partner group).

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