Not a Good Place for Experienced Hires - Consultant Deloitte Employee Review

2.0
Oct 10, 2012
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Pros

This review is for Deloitte Consulting - Strategy and Operations * Constant learning * Always working on different projects, doing new things. No dull moment. * Exposure to the highest levels of organization. Great exposure to the enterprise and how everything comes together from the highest levels * Working together with a lot of smart and talented people

Cons

Cons: These cons are written from an experienced hire perspective, as someone who's joined the firm with many years of work experience: * Do not join the firm as a consultant or senior consultant if you are around 33-35 or older. It will take more from you than you'll gain from being here. And most of it is emotional scars which are difficult to foresee but leave long lasting impacts. * When you come in as an experienced hire and especially from smaller companies, they will place you at least 1 but probably 2 levels below than what you'd have in mind based on what you are doing in your current job. The partners will sweet talk you that this is ok and with all this experience you can get promoted very quickly once you outperform your peers --- In reality this doesn't work like that. When they put a mid 30s guy to compete against 27 year old fresh MBA graduates you are set up to lose --- Also you get typecast based on your title. Although you can do a manager's or senior manager's job, you will be treated as a C/SC and will be asked stuff that you may have done years ago but can't do as fast as you used to * When you get in everybody will emphasize the importance of networking. What it means is --- You will get staffed on projects only if you know somebody ---- You will get promoted only if people especially Partners/Directors/Principles or SMs who know you speak well about you during the review meeting In other words, if you are from the NY office but has worked on projects where the P/P.Ds or SMs are from other offices, they won't be talking on your behalf and all the good work you may have done will not count towards anything. --- Also building a network takes a pretty long time especially in a large firm like this. As an experienced hire you have very little chance to compete against people who join the firm as campus recruits who start as a class and build relationships amongst themselves which they carry into future. As an experienced hire, you don't have this setup. You are left to your own abilities to meet people who have influence in the firm ---- Also remember that P/P/Ds and SMs are nurturing staff who they think are good candidates to become future P/P/Ds. You make a judgement call, who they will spend more time nurturing - A younger person with many years in front of them or an experienced hire? * The key metric in this firm is your client hours. Any other type of work, like firm activities or internal groups will not count towards anything if your haven't met your client hour goals regardless how great your Performance Evaluations are. * You will be interviewed and your internal references will be checked before you get staffed in anyy project. It somebody says something negative about you you will not get staffed on that project and same managers won't call you again * This firm is very similar to a military academy or a fraternity. You have to go through the hazing process, put in your time. If you are an experienced hire over 30s, rethink your decision to join the firm. * The culture is very aggressive. No doubt the place is full of very smart and talented people but this doesn't make them good managers. You are at all times expected to kiss ass and stroke the egos of the people above. If you say once "No" to something you will not be considered for anything else again by the same person even if you have a legitimate reason. --- This also makes this firm very hierarchical. If you have a different idea than the person(s) above you and contradict them or explain where you are coming from you will be considered as defensive or not a good team player. --- Because of this extremely hierarchical structure, things get changed and modified very often because somebody above says something different. And because of the egos every person above you has an opinion of how things should be. Usually there is no upfront planning to avoid multiple iterations of the same work. You work with your manager and produce something, then his or her manager changes things completely and it goes on in this fashion. The team doesn't usually come together and talk in detail what needs to be done. Every level reacts to what you put in front of them and this creates a very inefficient process to produce something

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These folks know exactly what they are doing. They set high standards, and consistently deliver. Their project expectations and planning is excellent. The top level management folks are extremely smart and have a great sense of vision and planning. If you go to company social events (which are very frequent by the way), it is quite easy to have conversations with upper management people (Partners). Deloitte's hiring pattern is very consistent. For the young starters, they hire smart, well spoken, and subtly aggressive candidates. They have excellent training and knowledge management. They have a well oiled and empowered HR and Tech Support group. Things get done pretty fast. Their paid time off program is really great, and pretty straight forward. No messing about. They have a big social responsibility program that encourages volunteering. It also presents a great opportunity for youngsters to take event organizing responsibilities. This can be very very useful. Once, I volunteered for an event where we painted rooms for an orphanage center. There was a young guy who did the organizing. We were 10-12 people, with 3 senior executives actually doing paintwork. Quite unique. I have personally seen that Deloitte's top talents tend to start young, spend a 3-4 years, then take a hiatus to pursue a Graduate Degree (typically an MBA). The firm sometimes re-hires these consultants after their MBA with generous financial incentives. They offer much better packages to folks graduating from top universities. Sometimes they can offer huge joining bonuses. I worked in the IT consulting division.They tend to get top-end projects. On projects, the average age seems pretty low. A lot of 20-somethings, then there are a handful of 30-40 year old people and some senior Management folks. Beginner salaries can be a bit low. (which is expected. It takes some time to build credibility in the Consulting business) Overall, a great place to start your professional career. If you pay attention, you will get seasoned very quickly.

Cons

Work-life balance can become poor, especially during tight project timelines (This is expected in the Consulting Business). The employees have a significant amount of "firm-internal" training and knowledge contribution tasks. There are annual goal expectations. It can get tedious if you continuously work on high demand projects. There is intense competition, especially during targeted promotion/milestone years. There can be some backstabbing. It's part of the experience. It is not as bad as it sounds, and seems manageable. A lot of times, being young and inexperienced has it's flaws. The company has a simple way of seasoning consultants. They get pushed into high pressure situations, and they learn fast, and quickly start managing their own work. But they tend to be blind towards intricate details, especially in complicated IT product implementations. This has an interesting effect. If someone is able to do the hands-on work, everyone else tries to piggy-back on that person for their actual work. The hands-on guy gets overwhelmed, and others try to use him/her as a key resource. -- I personally went through a crunch project, and found a number of people "managing expectations" (piggy backing), while a handful of people actually knew the end-to-end solution and did the hands-on work. This created a lot more work and mental anguish than needed. Because of the expressed pressure, the hands-on guys have a hard time building and growing their reputation and subsequent performance evaluation rating. This also affects the project execution timelines. IMPORTANT: Make sure you thoroughly read through your employment agreement and understand the implications. In recent years, they have started hiring for specific projects ONLY. This falls under a particular "AMS service line". In this case, if your assigned project gets into a problem, you are exposed to the risk of employment termination. Their HR and Management are very helpful, and they will try to get you a new project. But there are several constraints like location, your skills, and limited time. I went through this, and it was somewhat unnerving. This was one of the reasons I ended up leaving the company.

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